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	<title>Comments on: Thoughts on New Creation Church &#8211; Tithing and Prosperity</title>
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		<title>By: King Wing</title>
		<link>http://www.stillhaventfound.org/2008/02/21/thoughts-on-new-creation-church-tithing-and-prosperity/#comment-137698</link>
		<dc:creator>King Wing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Mar 2011 11:34:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I know little about tithing and the blessings it brings. But I read numerous criticisms written about Joseph Prince and New Creation Church (sigh).  

Today, in my mid 50s, my entire is just $ 18.50 (I squandered millions on myself). This afternoon, I parted $5.00 out of my all into the blue pouch. In between, my stomach grumbled but my heart moved me to tithe because I received a revelation from Jesus through Pastor Lian’s message. Peace won and I believe Jesus is restoring all I had before very soon. In timeliness, I shall give Jesus by the millions because He loves me. This is all I care.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know little about tithing and the blessings it brings. But I read numerous criticisms written about Joseph Prince and New Creation Church (sigh).  </p>
<p>Today, in my mid 50s, my entire is just $ 18.50 (I squandered millions on myself). This afternoon, I parted $5.00 out of my all into the blue pouch. In between, my stomach grumbled but my heart moved me to tithe because I received a revelation from Jesus through Pastor Lian’s message. Peace won and I believe Jesus is restoring all I had before very soon. In timeliness, I shall give Jesus by the millions because He loves me. This is all I care.</p>
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		<title>By: Raymond Ling</title>
		<link>http://www.stillhaventfound.org/2008/02/21/thoughts-on-new-creation-church-tithing-and-prosperity/#comment-116743</link>
		<dc:creator>Raymond Ling</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Apr 2010 04:59:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tithing is an important part of any christian walk. It should be based upon your love for God and not a set of man made rules and laws.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tithing is an important part of any christian walk. It should be based upon your love for God and not a set of man made rules and laws.</p>
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		<title>By: Increase Web Site Traffic</title>
		<link>http://www.stillhaventfound.org/2008/02/21/thoughts-on-new-creation-church-tithing-and-prosperity/#comment-15310</link>
		<dc:creator>Increase Web Site Traffic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Mar 2008 14:58:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s extremely encouraging to hear pastor preach about tithing. Also consider it a joy that we are able to bless and contribute towards the church building&#039;s fund.

Can&#039;t wait for the great day to arrive when we can shout &quot;Glory, Glory&quot; to Him in His temple!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s extremely encouraging to hear pastor preach about tithing. Also consider it a joy that we are able to bless and contribute towards the church building&#8217;s fund.</p>
<p>Can&#8217;t wait for the great day to arrive when we can shout &#8220;Glory, Glory&#8221; to Him in His temple!</p>
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		<title>By: Lois</title>
		<link>http://www.stillhaventfound.org/2008/02/21/thoughts-on-new-creation-church-tithing-and-prosperity/#comment-14453</link>
		<dc:creator>Lois</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Mar 2008 16:12:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi, I just wanted to add that in John 12:8, &quot;You will always have the poor among you, but you will not always have me.”

This doesn&#039;t negate the fact that God cares for the poor and our responsibility to the poor, as we can reference this to Deut 15:11 &quot;There will always be poor people in the land. Therefore I command you to be openhanded toward your brothers and toward the poor and needy in your land.&quot;

You and I as Christians are the means in which God uses to bless the poor.

In that light, it is as what stillhaventfound it talking about- blessed to be a blessing. In other words, yes God blesses us with abundance. But we who have experienced this abundance, should use it for His purposes to share with those who do not have.

When we know God loves us, we will also respond in a like-minded manner, to love the ones whom He loves. The Old Testament is filled with laws to provide for the outcast, love the slaves etc etc. And the New Testament speaks of the blessedness of the poor.

Heidi Baker (missionary to Africa) has this to say:
&quot;We need to be in that place. We&#039;re prisoners of love. Some people say, &#039;Oh, how noble. You&#039;re a missionary&#039;. I&#039;m just a prisoner of love. I don&#039;t have any choice. It is joy unspeakable and full of glory.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi, I just wanted to add that in John 12:8, &#8220;You will always have the poor among you, but you will not always have me.”</p>
<p>This doesn&#8217;t negate the fact that God cares for the poor and our responsibility to the poor, as we can reference this to Deut 15:11 &#8220;There will always be poor people in the land. Therefore I command you to be openhanded toward your brothers and toward the poor and needy in your land.&#8221;</p>
<p>You and I as Christians are the means in which God uses to bless the poor.</p>
<p>In that light, it is as what stillhaventfound it talking about- blessed to be a blessing. In other words, yes God blesses us with abundance. But we who have experienced this abundance, should use it for His purposes to share with those who do not have.</p>
<p>When we know God loves us, we will also respond in a like-minded manner, to love the ones whom He loves. The Old Testament is filled with laws to provide for the outcast, love the slaves etc etc. And the New Testament speaks of the blessedness of the poor.</p>
<p>Heidi Baker (missionary to Africa) has this to say:<br />
&#8220;We need to be in that place. We&#8217;re prisoners of love. Some people say, &#8216;Oh, how noble. You&#8217;re a missionary&#8217;. I&#8217;m just a prisoner of love. I don&#8217;t have any choice. It is joy unspeakable and full of glory.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Stephanie</title>
		<link>http://www.stillhaventfound.org/2008/02/21/thoughts-on-new-creation-church-tithing-and-prosperity/#comment-14388</link>
		<dc:creator>Stephanie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Feb 2008 08:05:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Add on:

Bible said that those who believe are son of Abraham. The sons of Abraham will receive the Promise of Duet 28.

Once you know how good is Daddy God towards you, you will flow in the Peace and Joy of God. It&#039;s through faith of Jesus that the blessing of Deut 28 will come through. May you reach there as Duet 28 blessing is on NCC. That&#039;s the message Lord had for NCC, you could read at NCC site.

As for the other mega church you compared with NCC, I was pondering over it sometime back, after reading your post, Lord told me that He caters different churches for different people needs. That is why, go to the church you are comfortable with and dun wonder anymore.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Add on:</p>
<p>Bible said that those who believe are son of Abraham. The sons of Abraham will receive the Promise of Duet 28.</p>
<p>Once you know how good is Daddy God towards you, you will flow in the Peace and Joy of God. It&#8217;s through faith of Jesus that the blessing of Deut 28 will come through. May you reach there as Duet 28 blessing is on NCC. That&#8217;s the message Lord had for NCC, you could read at NCC site.</p>
<p>As for the other mega church you compared with NCC, I was pondering over it sometime back, after reading your post, Lord told me that He caters different churches for different people needs. That is why, go to the church you are comfortable with and dun wonder anymore.</p>
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		<title>By: Stephanie</title>
		<link>http://www.stillhaventfound.org/2008/02/21/thoughts-on-new-creation-church-tithing-and-prosperity/#comment-14387</link>
		<dc:creator>Stephanie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Feb 2008 07:54:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>in John 12:7, &#039;Jesus replied: &quot; It is intended that she should save this perfume for the day of my burial. You will always have the poor among you, but you will not always have me.&quot;&#039;

It&#039;s good that Lord puts the desire of missionary and cares for the poor in you. How you get this part of the dream fulfilled?

What the poor need is not just a one off material help. Give them the fish will lead them to depends on hand out. But if you teach them to fish, they can be independent.

The poor need to know about the compassionate of Jesus wanting to love them and help them. Just like a fisherman in Indonesia said, &quot;got Jesus, there is abundance.&quot; His testimony said that fishes followed his boat. While others catch nothing, Lord blessed him with lots of catches.

One thing needful of you is to be like Mary. Sit at the feet of Jesus and drink. Mary didn&#039;t question Jesus. She just sit and believe all that Jesus have to tell her. The end result, she did the right thing in the right moment...anoint Lord Jesus with perfume before his death. The rest who came after His death did not managed to find Him.

Don&#039;t doubt what Lord say through Pastor Prince. Keep on believing and out of your belly will flow rivers of anointed water. When you are ready, Lord will surely open door for you into missionary. Then your dream can be fulfilled.

If only you could understand the Grace of God on you. Then you will realised how Good and Loved are you by Daddy God.

I pray that the eyes in your heart and your ears to be opened to receive the goodness of God. I command the disbelieve and doubting spirit to leave you in the name of Jesus! Amen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>in John 12:7, &#8216;Jesus replied: &#8221; It is intended that she should save this perfume for the day of my burial. You will always have the poor among you, but you will not always have me.&#8221;&#8216;</p>
<p>It&#8217;s good that Lord puts the desire of missionary and cares for the poor in you. How you get this part of the dream fulfilled?</p>
<p>What the poor need is not just a one off material help. Give them the fish will lead them to depends on hand out. But if you teach them to fish, they can be independent.</p>
<p>The poor need to know about the compassionate of Jesus wanting to love them and help them. Just like a fisherman in Indonesia said, &#8220;got Jesus, there is abundance.&#8221; His testimony said that fishes followed his boat. While others catch nothing, Lord blessed him with lots of catches.</p>
<p>One thing needful of you is to be like Mary. Sit at the feet of Jesus and drink. Mary didn&#8217;t question Jesus. She just sit and believe all that Jesus have to tell her. The end result, she did the right thing in the right moment&#8230;anoint Lord Jesus with perfume before his death. The rest who came after His death did not managed to find Him.</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t doubt what Lord say through Pastor Prince. Keep on believing and out of your belly will flow rivers of anointed water. When you are ready, Lord will surely open door for you into missionary. Then your dream can be fulfilled.</p>
<p>If only you could understand the Grace of God on you. Then you will realised how Good and Loved are you by Daddy God.</p>
<p>I pray that the eyes in your heart and your ears to be opened to receive the goodness of God. I command the disbelieve and doubting spirit to leave you in the name of Jesus! Amen.</p>
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		<title>By: stillhaventfound</title>
		<link>http://www.stillhaventfound.org/2008/02/21/thoughts-on-new-creation-church-tithing-and-prosperity/#comment-14355</link>
		<dc:creator>stillhaventfound</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Feb 2008 10:56:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Sword,

I know what you mean by righteous indignation. Trust me, I have a lot of emotions and anger in me when it comes to issues that are close to my heart. The two issues I can say that are closest to my heart right now are missions and poverty. The issue of grace follows close after. Whether these feelings are righteous or not, I don&#039;t know. I hope so :)

If you think I have no views or feelings when it comes to the extremities of the prosperity gospel or Christians ministers who live in luxury and riches, you&#039;re wrong. Anyone who knows me closely will laugh at the thought that I am indifferent to such things. People who know me know that I don&#039;t normally get angry easily. But when I do, it&#039;s usually to do with issues of poverty, missions and injustice. Read my &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.stillhaventfound.org/introduction-to-thoughts&quot;&gt;writings&lt;/a&gt; on poverty and missions and you&#039;ll understand.

How do I reconcile all my more positive writings on NCC with my other articles on poverty and missions? Well, I intend to touch on that in future posts. But if you were following some of the earlier posts, you would realize I&#039;d written a long on NCC &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.stillhaventfound.org/progressive-christianity-theology/thoughts-on-new-creation-church&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt; 4 years ago, the last part of which would interest you as it relates to your view of prosperity and poverty. Go to the end and see what I have to say on prosperity and poverty if you wish. You may be surprised to realize how radically opposite my view is from the typical prosperity gospel teachings. Although, in a way it&#039;s not that different. It&#039;s just that I take the prosperity gospel&#039;s teaching of &quot;we&#039;re blessed to be a blessing to others&quot; and &quot;prosperity with a purpose&quot; extremely seriously.

Cheers and I hope to see more of your comments in future.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Sword,</p>
<p>I know what you mean by righteous indignation. Trust me, I have a lot of emotions and anger in me when it comes to issues that are close to my heart. The two issues I can say that are closest to my heart right now are missions and poverty. The issue of grace follows close after. Whether these feelings are righteous or not, I don&#8217;t know. I hope so :)</p>
<p>If you think I have no views or feelings when it comes to the extremities of the prosperity gospel or Christians ministers who live in luxury and riches, you&#8217;re wrong. Anyone who knows me closely will laugh at the thought that I am indifferent to such things. People who know me know that I don&#8217;t normally get angry easily. But when I do, it&#8217;s usually to do with issues of poverty, missions and injustice. Read my <a href="http://www.stillhaventfound.org/introduction-to-thoughts">writings</a> on poverty and missions and you&#8217;ll understand.</p>
<p>How do I reconcile all my more positive writings on NCC with my other articles on poverty and missions? Well, I intend to touch on that in future posts. But if you were following some of the earlier posts, you would realize I&#8217;d written a long on NCC <a href="http://www.stillhaventfound.org/progressive-christianity-theology/thoughts-on-new-creation-church">here</a> 4 years ago, the last part of which would interest you as it relates to your view of prosperity and poverty. Go to the end and see what I have to say on prosperity and poverty if you wish. You may be surprised to realize how radically opposite my view is from the typical prosperity gospel teachings. Although, in a way it&#8217;s not that different. It&#8217;s just that I take the prosperity gospel&#8217;s teaching of &#8220;we&#8217;re blessed to be a blessing to others&#8221; and &#8220;prosperity with a purpose&#8221; extremely seriously.</p>
<p>Cheers and I hope to see more of your comments in future.</p>
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		<title>By: Sword</title>
		<link>http://www.stillhaventfound.org/2008/02/21/thoughts-on-new-creation-church-tithing-and-prosperity/#comment-14314</link>
		<dc:creator>Sword</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Feb 2008 16:31:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>you say what you have got to say as honest as you know how.where you are welcome, you give a bit more. where you are not, you dust off your feet and move on. however, if your genial style suits you, that&#039;s also fine. you seem to have that approach. this sometimes advocated by some due to years of conditioning in a repressive culture. wrath or anger at injustices do not not usually elicit reply in this country. the flip side of a calm, collected and clinical approach towards certain issues can sometime kill the spirit of righteous indignation. it makes humanity incomplete.

we are usually not very tolerance towards  intolerance you realized?

in any case, i shall give your other posts a read. but yes, messages are not exclusive.

your frank, honest and gracious respond deserve similar response too.

cheers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>you say what you have got to say as honest as you know how.where you are welcome, you give a bit more. where you are not, you dust off your feet and move on. however, if your genial style suits you, that&#8217;s also fine. you seem to have that approach. this sometimes advocated by some due to years of conditioning in a repressive culture. wrath or anger at injustices do not not usually elicit reply in this country. the flip side of a calm, collected and clinical approach towards certain issues can sometime kill the spirit of righteous indignation. it makes humanity incomplete.</p>
<p>we are usually not very tolerance towards  intolerance you realized?</p>
<p>in any case, i shall give your other posts a read. but yes, messages are not exclusive.</p>
<p>your frank, honest and gracious respond deserve similar response too.</p>
<p>cheers.</p>
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		<title>By: stillhaventfound</title>
		<link>http://www.stillhaventfound.org/2008/02/21/thoughts-on-new-creation-church-tithing-and-prosperity/#comment-14299</link>
		<dc:creator>stillhaventfound</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Feb 2008 09:04:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Sword,

You&#039;re right about the fact that I&#039;ll welcome differing and critical views on this blog. But I think there&#039;s a limit - at least for me and in my blog. I welcome them if they are fair and in the right spirit. I&#039;m all for discussion and debate for the purpose of challenging each other to think through our views and how they line up with Scriptures. I&#039;m not for unfair attacks written in an overly critical tone. From your response, you don&#039;t seem to have read what I&#039;ve written but only want to publish your accusations. You definitely don&#039;t know what I believe in because I agree with a lot of what you said. It&#039;s just that I do not agree with the way you said it.

My advice to people like you is that you&#039;d be better off not bothering writing all your accusations. I&#039;m not sure what the motive is. Is it to build up or tear down? Is it to warn others of falsehood or just to prove a point? Only you know. But if you&#039;re truly concerned about people who attend NCC and who read this blog, then I&#039;d like to see your actions and the tone and spirit of your posts reflect that. If you&#039;re truly concerned for truth, then you&#039;ll listen too, and not just attack and accuse. It&#039;s sad, because if you had read my reply and the articles I referred to that I&#039;d written, you&#039;d realize that I&#039;m very much in agreement with you regarding the poor. And I&#039;d very much like to publish your views for all to read. But I will not publish more of your comments if you continue to write in such a manner. There are other blogs who would accept your kind of comments and allow uncharitable and unfair comments to be thrown around that, in my opinion, simply do not aid the conversation and discussion at hand. My blog isn&#039;t one of them. I think I&#039;m responsible not only for what I write, but in a way also for what other people write here.

I&#039;m all for critical posts. But there is a good and proper way to do so. It&#039;s sad that in Christianity, there are not that many models of Christians who disagree with each other strongly, yet conduct their discussion and debate of issues in a charitable way. And I think that&#039;s the reason why we see such horrible accusations flying around the Christian world and especially in the blogsphere.

So anyway, Sword, you&#039;re more than welcome to post again. And I would sincerely love for you to do so because poverty is one of my favourite subjects and I&#039;d love to read what you have to say regarding how a Christian ought to relate to the poor. But I won&#039;t post it if I don&#039;t see value in the comments for those who read them. Cheers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Sword,</p>
<p>You&#8217;re right about the fact that I&#8217;ll welcome differing and critical views on this blog. But I think there&#8217;s a limit &#8211; at least for me and in my blog. I welcome them if they are fair and in the right spirit. I&#8217;m all for discussion and debate for the purpose of challenging each other to think through our views and how they line up with Scriptures. I&#8217;m not for unfair attacks written in an overly critical tone. From your response, you don&#8217;t seem to have read what I&#8217;ve written but only want to publish your accusations. You definitely don&#8217;t know what I believe in because I agree with a lot of what you said. It&#8217;s just that I do not agree with the way you said it.</p>
<p>My advice to people like you is that you&#8217;d be better off not bothering writing all your accusations. I&#8217;m not sure what the motive is. Is it to build up or tear down? Is it to warn others of falsehood or just to prove a point? Only you know. But if you&#8217;re truly concerned about people who attend NCC and who read this blog, then I&#8217;d like to see your actions and the tone and spirit of your posts reflect that. If you&#8217;re truly concerned for truth, then you&#8217;ll listen too, and not just attack and accuse. It&#8217;s sad, because if you had read my reply and the articles I referred to that I&#8217;d written, you&#8217;d realize that I&#8217;m very much in agreement with you regarding the poor. And I&#8217;d very much like to publish your views for all to read. But I will not publish more of your comments if you continue to write in such a manner. There are other blogs who would accept your kind of comments and allow uncharitable and unfair comments to be thrown around that, in my opinion, simply do not aid the conversation and discussion at hand. My blog isn&#8217;t one of them. I think I&#8217;m responsible not only for what I write, but in a way also for what other people write here.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m all for critical posts. But there is a good and proper way to do so. It&#8217;s sad that in Christianity, there are not that many models of Christians who disagree with each other strongly, yet conduct their discussion and debate of issues in a charitable way. And I think that&#8217;s the reason why we see such horrible accusations flying around the Christian world and especially in the blogsphere.</p>
<p>So anyway, Sword, you&#8217;re more than welcome to post again. And I would sincerely love for you to do so because poverty is one of my favourite subjects and I&#8217;d love to read what you have to say regarding how a Christian ought to relate to the poor. But I won&#8217;t post it if I don&#8217;t see value in the comments for those who read them. Cheers.</p>
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		<title>By: Sword</title>
		<link>http://www.stillhaventfound.org/2008/02/21/thoughts-on-new-creation-church-tithing-and-prosperity/#comment-14289</link>
		<dc:creator>Sword</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Feb 2008 02:39:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>at least you have the guts to engage and display unfavoring views unlike some of your cohorts (blogs i had visited) with itching ears.

your church at best is preaching theocapitalism. it is still capitalism sugar coated. god&#039;s kingdom is not ruled nor subscribe to the philosophy of &#039;prosperity&#039; with an imperialistic capitalism (mammon) slant.

your church in effect is serving mammon in the name of god.

in every bit you are like the world. you supported the world&#039;s agenda whereas Jesus separated Himself from the ROMAN EMPIRE!

your church bow to CAESAR and serve his kingdom and his agendas.

you were never called to be like the world to save the world.

Joh 15:19  If you were of the world, the world would love its own. But because you are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world HATES you.

the world (caesar) loves you that&#039;s the reason why you guys can walking around in expensive suits, fly around the world for speaking engagement (holidays or vacations), live in private villas and drive nice cars while talking DOWN TO GOD&#039;S POOR (peddle your gospel pills of disguised lusts so these poor  disillusioned folks give of their pittance in hope to be &#039;prosperous&#039; like your leaders which they will NEVER BE)

shame on you or your leaders!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>at least you have the guts to engage and display unfavoring views unlike some of your cohorts (blogs i had visited) with itching ears.</p>
<p>your church at best is preaching theocapitalism. it is still capitalism sugar coated. god&#8217;s kingdom is not ruled nor subscribe to the philosophy of &#8216;prosperity&#8217; with an imperialistic capitalism (mammon) slant.</p>
<p>your church in effect is serving mammon in the name of god.</p>
<p>in every bit you are like the world. you supported the world&#8217;s agenda whereas Jesus separated Himself from the ROMAN EMPIRE!</p>
<p>your church bow to CAESAR and serve his kingdom and his agendas.</p>
<p>you were never called to be like the world to save the world.</p>
<p>Joh 15:19  If you were of the world, the world would love its own. But because you are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world HATES you.</p>
<p>the world (caesar) loves you that&#8217;s the reason why you guys can walking around in expensive suits, fly around the world for speaking engagement (holidays or vacations), live in private villas and drive nice cars while talking DOWN TO GOD&#8217;S POOR (peddle your gospel pills of disguised lusts so these poor  disillusioned folks give of their pittance in hope to be &#8216;prosperous&#8217; like your leaders which they will NEVER BE)</p>
<p>shame on you or your leaders!</p>
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