Comments on: Thoughts on New Creation Church – On Christless Christianity, Michael Horton and John Frame – Part 1

By: Anonymous

Anonymous — Sat, 10 Sep 2011 10:57:00 +0000

I know this is way too late for a reply to a post that was dated almost 2 years ago but just stumble upon this now.
What do you expect from people who are told week after weeks that they are already saved, as righteous and holy as Jesus in the eyes of God, no need to do anything and God is as pleased with them as He is with Christ? They are just putting their faith in action by being selfish knowing that as far as God is concerned they are as selfless as Christ. They have already died for the world through their faith in the cross.

By: RbrtPwll

RbrtPwll — Tue, 05 Oct 2010 21:49:59 +0000

Ch, there is no ‘reconciling’, per se. You are either under the law or you’re not. “Jesus Christ was a minister of THE CIRCUMCISION for the truth of God, to confirm the promises made unto the fathers” (Rom.15:8). “God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, MADE UNDER THE LAW, To redeem THEM THAT WERE UNDER THE LAW” (Gal.4:4,5). We have to ‘rightly-divide’ the word for our dispensation, that is, Paul’s gospel (Rom.1:16; 2:16; 16:25; 2Tim.2:8). And, concerning the law, Jesus Christ through Paul tells us: “Christ is THE END OF THE LAW for righteousness to EVERY ONE THAT BELIEVETH.” (Rom.10:4)

By: Louis

Louis — Sun, 13 Jun 2010 23:35:16 +0000

I come from an Evangelical Free Church and once a critic of Pastor Prince until God open my heart to the gospel of grace.

It changes my life, i love Jesus more and more and have been experiencing His love and power more then before.

I do not agree with all Pastor Prince say(I don’t agree with everything my pastor say also) but that does not mean everything is wrong. I am very bless by him.

Lets turn our eyes away from self towards JESUS. :)

By: ac

ac — Sun, 07 Mar 2010 15:41:59 +0000

to comment on ch says:

“19: 16-18 and Matt. 22: 37-40 where He emphasized the importance of the commandments. And He further said that He came not to destroy the Law or the Prophets but to fulfill them (Matt. 5:17)”

This does not contradict to Pastor Joseph prince’s sermon. He here refered to Jesus, and he came down to die for us (sinners) to fullfil the 10 commandments (the LAW), because God is still a Just God, who will punish lawless deeds, but not on sinners’ body but on Jesus’ instead.

If Jesus has born our punishment, what is most important to believers is to be reminded about the Love of God, not keeping the 10 commandments, and living holy becomes a fruit of being rightious in Christ and it will be effortlesly.

By: Ch

Ch — Wed, 03 Mar 2010 08:08:07 +0000

With no malice or ill-intention whatsoever imputed, how Pastor Joseph Prince’s message reconciles with the teachings of our Lord Jesus in Matt. 19: 16-18 and Matt. 22: 37-40 where He emphasized the importance of the commandments. And He further said that He came not to destroy the Law or the Prophets but to fulfill them (Matt. 5:17) If the commandments are no longer relevant today, does that mean that as a result of God’s grace, believers can go against them without incurring His wrath and thereby receive no punishment from Him? As Christians, we will always try to please God by obeying His words and even when we fail to do so (as imperfect people) there is no condemnation for His precious grace is always sufficient for us to progress for obedience of His commandments. Here the Holy Spirit will be our guide and help in all circumstances.

By: KYC

KYC — Fri, 12 Feb 2010 10:28:46 +0000

Hi meeple,

thanks for your insights on the Galatians and Romans. I’ve learnt a lot. However, I do have some questions on your statements on Galatians. You were saying the law Paul was writing about in the epistle, did not include the 10 commandments, but instead more on circumcision and food traditions. Nonetheless, if you were to read the whole Gal 3, verse 17 states “And this I say, that the law, which was four hundred and thirty years later, cannot annul the covenant that was confirmed before by God in Christ, that it should make the promise of no effect.”, Paul was expressly referring to the law given 430 years after the promise of Abraham, which I believe is the 10 commandments. Also, just curious, in verse 24, Paul was referring to the law as the tutor, before Christ. If he was referring to the ceremonial laws, I will like to know what does these laws (the 600+ laws given by the pharisess) teach?

Furthermore, in the next chapter (Gal. 4), verse 21-31, Paul asked “21 Tell me, you who desire to be under the law, do you not hear the law?” to the Galatians. He went on the describe the law which the Galatians have unknowlingly went back under. You all know the story, how Paul described Hagar as the bondwoman and Sarah, the freewoman. In verse 24-25 “24 which things are symbolic. For these are the two covenants: the one from Mount Sinai which gives birth to bondage, which is Hagar— 25 for this Hagar is Mount Sinai in Arabia, and corresponds to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children—”, he gives a picture of Hagar being the covenant (law) from Mt. Sinai, which to my knowledge is the 10 commandments.

Given all these, I believe Paul was talking more than just circumcision and food traditions. The law he was talking about does include the 10 commandments, and he is disappointed that the Galatians wanted to be justified through the law again. Hence, the statement, “4 You have become estranged from Christ, you who attempt to be justified by law; you have fallen from grace.”

Anyone who read this, let me know what you think. I’m happy to learn from you guys!

By: kev

kev — Fri, 22 Jan 2010 13:31:35 +0000

meeple,

i must say, wonderful insights you have provided

By: Holly 123

Holly 123 — Mon, 04 Jan 2010 04:03:11 +0000

I think the most important thing is not God would mind us whether we are above or under the law after the finished work had been done by Jesus, the most important is we need to understand whether we need to exercise to make yourself behave be more grace, noble and helping and sharing others with loveliness heart. Relax is good, but we shouldn’t take the exercise as boundary. Just like we know “stolen” is wrong and would be punished but we wouldn’t do it even though we are absolved.

By: Holly 123

Holly 123 — Sun, 03 Jan 2010 10:58:16 +0000

Yes, I agreed, I met some of NCC’s member, seems they are selfish to care only their gain & lost and interest, pretty much focus on the material things instead of inspirual excerise. They emphasize all the time how much God love them and the finished work had been done by Jesus for them and enjoy the “grace” of God, but rare to care others’ feeling or love or even providing help…if them, I am curious how the could feel grace from God…Even they saw other’s in challenge works, they would say, I was so blessed by God for not taking the tough task, Was it the blessing from God, not others?

By: stillhaventfound

stillhaventfound — Sun, 06 Dec 2009 15:03:27 +0000

Hi Daryl, thanks for your comments. We must catch up one day :) Regarding your point about encountering NCC members who do not show grace and love, I’ve heard a lot of this lately, even from people from NCC or who are pro-NCC. I’d like to address this issue in another post and maybe you can comment there.

Cheers :)